What Israelis Fear the World Does Not Understand

<p>Earlier this week, we heard a Palestinian perspective on the conflict. Today, I wanted to have on an Israeli perspective.</p><p>Yossi Klein Halevi is a senior fellow at the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem and the author, most recently, of “<a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/letters-to-my-palestinian-neighbor-yossi-klein-halevi?variant=32116545978402" target="_blank">Letters to My Palestinian Neighbor</a>.”</p><p>In this episode, we discuss Halevi’s unusual education as an Israeli Defense Forces soldier in Gaza during the first intifada, the “seminal disconnect” between how Israel is viewed from the inside versus from the outside, Halevi’s view that a Palestinian state is both an “existential need” and an “existential threat” for Israel, the failures of the Oslo peace process and how the second intifada hardened Israeli attitudes toward peace, what Oct. 7 meant for the contract between the Israeli people and the state, the lessons and limitations of Sept. 11 analogies and much more.</p><p>Book Recommendations:</p><p><a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/a-tale-of-love-and-darkness-amos-oz?variant=39936647626786" target="_blank">A Tale of Love and Darkness</a> by Amos Oz</p><p><a href="https://www.spiegelandgrau.com/whobyfire" target="_blank">Who By Fire</a> by Matti Friedman</p><p><a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250252760/thewarofreturn" target="_blank">The War of Return</a> by Adi Schwartz and Einat Wilf</p><p>Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.</p><p>You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/column/ezra-klein-podcast" target="_blank"><strong>nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast</strong></a>, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" target="_blank"><strong>https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs</strong></a>.</p><p>This