[Unedited] Eula Biss with Krista Tippett

<p>You can’t think about something if you can’t talk about it, says Eula Biss. The writer helpfully opens up lived words and ideas like <i>complacence, guilt, </i>and<i> opportunity hoarding </i>for an urgent reckoning with whiteness. This conversation was inspired by her 2015 essay in the <i>New York Times</i>, “<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/magazine/white-debt.html">White Debt</a>.”</p><p>Eula Biss teaches writing at Northwestern University. Her books include <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Immunity-Inoculation-Eula-Biss/dp/1555977200"><i>On Immunity: An Inoculation</i></a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Notes-No-Mans-Land-American/dp/1555975186"><i>Notes from No Man's Land: American Essays</i></a>. </p><p>This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "Eula Biss — Talking About Whiteness." Find more at onbeing.org.</p>