Tony Cliff pt2

<p>In part 2 of their conversation, <a href= "https://www.tonycliff.com">Tony Cliff</a> and Dan Berry talk about software, hardware and get grumpy about subscription models.</p> <p><a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250307842">Tony has a new book out called Let's Get Sleepy!</a></p> <p>This episode is sponsored by <strong>PrintNinja.</strong> <a href= "http://printninja.com/makeit">Visit printninja.com/makeit to get started.</a> Mention Make It Then Tell Everybody when you save your quote and receive a free 5% print overrun with your order!</p> <p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/makethentell">Consider supporting the show on Patreon for as little as a dollar an episode.</a></p>