Pay It Forward (with Jarvis R. Givens & John King Jr.)

DeRay interviews Dr. Jarvis R. Givens about “fugitive pedagogy”—a theory and practice of Black education in America. Kaya sits down with former Obama Secretary of Education Dr. John King Jr. who is running for governor of Maryland. For a transcript of this episode, please visit crooked.com/podsavethepeople Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices