Pastors Are Not (Just) Coaches, with Michael Bird: Eph. 4:12

<p>Is Ephesians 4:12 about leaders doing the work of ministry or training the “laity” to do the work? Answering that question requires a close look at the Greek wording and even decisions about placement of commas by editors. Dr. Michael Bird is Deputy Principal at Ridley College (Melbourne, Australia). His many publications include (with N. T. Wright)  <a title= "Original URL: https://www.amazon.com/New-Testament-its-World-Introduction/dp/0281082715/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= Click to follow link." href= "https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FNew-Testament-its-World-Introduction%2Fdp%2F0281082715%2Fref%3Dtmm_hrd_swatch_0%3F_encoding%3DUTF8%26qid%3D%26sr%3D&data=05%7C01%7Crebecca.a.larson%40wheaton.edu%7C031c815bb0844956e48708dbb2a888f7%7Cb7098c8ac6b24e8bba4c872cf5f00a20%7C0%7C0%7C638300209165861634%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EoW7JdsCA%2FUkL%2Bv9tdRJtME%2BPv5Zm1KfWn%2F%2FvcAjrt8%3D&reserved=0"> <em>The New Testament in its World: An Introduction to the History, Literature and Theology of the First Christians</em></a> and <a title= "Original URL: https://www.amazon.com/What-Christians-Ought-Believe-Introduction/dp/0310520924/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3V0AP945HSWA7&keywords=What+Christians+Ought+to+Believe%3A+An+Introduction+to+Christian+Doctrine+Through+the+Apostles%E2%80%99+Creed&qid=1692382044&s=books&sprefix=what+christians+ought+to+believe+an+introduction+to+christian+doctrine+through+the+apostles+creed%2Cstripbooks%2C123&sr=1-1 Click to follow link." href= "https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FWhat-Christians-Ought-Believe-Introduction%2Fdp%2F0310520924%2Fref%3Dsr_1_1%3Fcrid%3D3V0AP945HSWA7%26keywords%3DWhat%2BChristians%2BOught%2Bto%2BBelieve%253A%2BAn%2BIntroduction%2Bto%2BChristian%2BDoctrine%2BThrough%2Bthe%2BApostles%25E2%2580%2599%2BCreed%26qid%3D1692382044%26s%3Dbooks%26sprefix%3Dwhat%2Bchristians%2Bought%2Bto%2Bbelieve%