New World Disorder: After Afghanistan

<p><strong>The fall of Kabul to the Taliban</strong> has placed thousands of people in mortal danger and traumatised the entire Western security establishment. How did we get it so wrong, and what happens next? Also, the <strong>future of COVID</strong>: Leeds University Global Health Professor <strong>Garrett W. Brown</strong> joins us to set out the next pandemic and why the “Pasteurian Paradigm” won’t save us. Plus <strong>Labour expels Ken Loach</strong>, what would Immanuel Kant make of Brexit Britain…&nbsp;and should we stop referring to curry as “curry”?&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Apologies for the all-male panel this week, which is down to late changes of circumstance. We do all we can to avoid the “manel” and will restore a more reasonable gender ratio next time. &nbsp;</p><p><br></p><ul><li><em>“There’s a 100% chance we’ll see another pandemic in the next ten to twenty years.” </em><strong><em>–&nbsp;Prof. Garrett Brown</em></strong></li><li><em>“It’s as black and white as ‘These people helped us and if we don’t help them they will be killed’.”</em><strong><em> – Ahir Shah</em></strong></li><li><em>“Afghanistan shows what happens when we concentrate on the wrong things… We’ve poured all our energy into self-made disputes.” </em><strong><em>– Justin Quirk</em></strong></li><li><em>“The selfish nature of the international order today will be its own demise.”</em><strong><em> –&nbsp;Prof. Garrett Brown</em></strong></li><li><em>“As an Englishman, they can prise my mild korma from my cold dead hands.”</em><strong><em> – Justin Quirk</em></strong></li></ul><p><br></p><p><em>Presented by Alex Andreou with Ahir Shah and Justin Quirk. Produced by Andrew Harrison. Assistant producers: Jacob Archbold and Jelena Sofronijevic . Music by Kenny Dickinson. Audio production by Alex Rees. Produced by Andrew Harrison. </em><strong><em>The Bunker is a Podmasters Production</em></strong></p> &#10;&nbsp;<br /><hr><p style='color: grey; font - size: 0.75em; '>See <a style='color: grey; ' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer'