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[Extended] Joy Harjo with Krista Tippett
James Reid
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<p>“Though we have instructions and a map buried in our hearts when we enter this world,” the extraordinary Joy Harjo has written, “nothing quite prepares us for the abrupt shift to the breathing realm.” She is a saxophone player and performer, a visual artist, a member of the Muscogee Creek Nation, and the 23rd Poet Laureate of the United States. She opens up with Krista about her life, dreaming as a way of relating to time and place, and the story matrix that connects us all. </p><p>Joy Harjo — is a member of the Muscogee Creek Nation and the 23rd Poet Laureate of the United States. She is the author of nine books of poetry, including <i>An American Sunrise</i> and<i> She Had Some Horses</i>, and a memoir, <i>Crazy Brave</i>. She has also produced several award-winning music albums, including her most recent, <i>I Pray for My Enemies</i>. Her new memoir, coming out in September 2021, is called, <i>Poet Warrior</i>.</p><p>This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode “Joy Harjo — The Whole of Time." Find the transcript for that show at <a href="https://onbeing.org/programs/joy-harjo-the-whole-of-time/#transcript">onbeing.org</a>.</p>
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[Extended] Joy Harjo with Krista Tippett
James Reid