Australia's eight year hard border

Australia's borders have been closed for 18 months.  But for one group of people, the entry ban goes back much further than that.  Lawyers estimate there are more than 1,000 people stuck in Australia's immigration detention system, and today on The Signal we're hearing from one of them.  Arab-Iranian refugee Loghman Sawari's eight years in and out of immigration detention tells the story of Australia's harsh yet inconsistent policies on refugees and asylum seekers.  So what's the point of keeping him and the others in legal limbo?  And will they ever get out?  Featured:  Loghman Sawari, Arab-Iranian refugee Dr Sara Dehm, Senior Lecturer, University of Technology, Sydney