46: Retirement Doesn't Relate to Me, with Judith Kurnick

<p class="p1"><span class="s1">Today, Stephanie and Kevin are joined by Judith Kurnick, a</span> second act coach, a speaker, and a writer who guides lawyers, executives, and business owners in escaping the corporate life and designing their next chapter. Judith shares how her personal experiences informed her work. She shares her work philosophy, which emphasizes that she is not the expert, and her job is to partner with clients and help alter their perspectives. She discusses the varying factors that make it difficult for individuals to shift their mindsets, and then talks about what impacts the timetables of these shifts.</p> <p class="p2"> </p> <p class="p1">Judith explores the types of things she explores with her clients, comparing the process to buying a house. She starts with identifying one<span class="s2">’</span>s top five drivers, and then comping up with a scenario or several that work for you, and then eventually preparing to launch their new life through clear planning. She talks about how exploring possibilities can help get one past feeling stuck. Judith explains the differences between resume virtues and eulogy virtues, stressing the increasing importance of meaningful work and relationships.<span class= "Apple-converted-space"> </span></p> <p class="p2"> </p> <p class="p1">She then shares ageism she has witnessed, and the ways in which COVID exacerbated it. She provides examples of simple ways to combat ageism through language, like calling someone an older adult instead of a senior. They discuss the different things that <span class="s2">“</span>retirement” can mean for people. Judith touches on research around aging, and how it can be both scary and thrilling, pointing to the effect of psychology on it.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p> <p class="p2"> </p> <p class="p1">Stephanie and Kevin close with a reflection on their conversation with Judith, reiterating the importance of meaningful work, deep relationships, sense of community, and maintaining your physical and mental self-