#21 Data Mesh in Practice: Insights from Zalando's 2 Year Journey w/ Data Mesh - Interview w/ Max Schultze

Provided as a free resource by DataStax https://www.datastax.com/products/datastax-astra?utm_source=DataMeshRadio (AstraDB) Transcript (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZX73_DajFy9hSKUOo7JBKFpWModLSAniPDnLkbEqLyw/edit?usp=sharing (link)) courtesy of Starburst; check out their other data mesh resources https://www.starburst.io/info/data-mesh-resource-center?utm_source=DataMeshRadio (here) Part of Starburst's Datanova Data Mesh Summit takeover week. Max and Arif's upcoming (Feb 9th) Datanova/Starburst Data Mesh Summit Presentation: https://starburst.io/info/datanova2022?utm_source=DataMeshRadio (https://www.starburst.io/info/datanova2022/) In this episode, Scott interviews one of the most prolific content producers in data mesh, Max Schultze, Data Engineering Manager at Fashion E-Tailer Zalando. Max shares a LOT of very valuable advice while reflecting on Zalando's data mesh journey so far two years in. Max recommends starting with empathy building and knowledge sharing but looking for ways to scale versus only 1:1 or small group conversations. He had a clever way to force the hands of data consumers to speak to data producers via an https://blog.octo.com/en/how-to-deal-with-an-inverse-conway-maneuver-a-talk-by-romain-vailleux-at-duck-conf-2021/ (Inverse Conway Maneuver) that might work for your org too. Overall, 5 main points/themes emerged: Data mesh is a journey Empathy is crucial - have it for those you are working with and work towards building it between teams Technology is not the most important aspect of an implementation - no matter how cool it might sound or be to focus on it Start from knowledge sharing, getting people to understand each others' roles and contexts (see empathy!) Try not to get ahead of yourself Highly recommend giving this one a listen, maybe twice to pick up the nuggets in there. Max's contact info and related links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-schultze-b11996110/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-schultze-b11996110/) Twitter: @mcs1408 / https://twitt