176. COP27: Loss and Damage in the Spotlight

<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future.</span></p> <p><span style="color: #0e101a;">First up we have some exclusive news... *drumroll*... We are excited to announce that Outrage + Optimism is now part of the TED Audio Collective! This news represents an exciting continuation of the collaboration between our organizations, which began with our strategic partnership with TED Countdown.</span></p> <p><span style="color: #0e101a;">The TED Audio Collective is a curated collection of podcasts sharing ideas on a range of subjects, including psychology, business, and design. Be sure to check out some of the other podcasts in the collective!<br /></span></p> <p><span style="color: #0e101a;">Back to this special COP 27 episode... co-hosts Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson talk long-distance with co-host Tom Rivett-Carnac, who’s</span> <em><span style="color: #0e101a;">on the ground</span></em> <span style="color: #0e101a;">at the COP27 UN climate conference in Sharm El Sheikh, Egypt. Also, Christiana interviews Simon Stiell, the latest Executive Secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), and the podcast announces a new partnership with TED Audio Collective.</span></p> <p><span style="color: #0e101a;">First, Tom calls in from COP27, where the top item on the agenda is “Loss and Damage,” which refers to the historical responsibility of industrialized nations for the climate crisis and the moral case for compensating poorer and developing countries suffering the brunt of its many devastating effects. What</span> <em><span style= "color: #0e101a;">is</span></em> <span style= "color: #0e101a;">fair,</span> <em><span style= "color: #0e101a;">really</span></em><span style= "color: #0e101a;">?</span></p> <p><span style="color: #0e101a;">Next, Christiana discusses getting thin