114 - Naomi Fry is your best friend

<p>My guest this week is <strong>Naomi Fry</strong>, staff writer at <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/contributors/naomi-fry">The New Yorker</a>.<br /><br />In our wide-ranging discussion, Fry explores what pop culture can teach us about ourselves, explains why she sees herself as a writer rather than a journalist, and demands answers for how Taylor Swift accomplished what she couldn’t -- even with 25 years of therapy.<br /> </p><p>Follow Naomi on </p><ul><li><a href="https://twitter.com/frynaomifry">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/frynaomifry/">Instagram</a><br /> </li></ul><p>NOTES<br /><br />(19:20) <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10569.On_Writing">“On Writing” by Stephen King</a></p><p>(21:15) <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41571753-open-book">“Open Book” by Jessica Simpson</a></p><p>(24:20) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newlyweds:_Nick_and_Jessica">Newlyweds: Nick and Jessica</a></p><p>(32:03) <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/obituaries/judee-sill-overlooked.html">Judee Sill</a> (NYTimes Forgotten Obituary) </p><p>(32:11) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Dello">Pete Dello</a> // <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeybus">Honeybus (Band)</a></p><p>(36:05) <a href="https://www.steelydan.com/">Steely Dan</a></p><p>(38:12 <a href="https://www.venturahighway.com/">America (band)</a></p><p>(39:10) <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Franco">James Franco</a></p><p>(43:21) <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MunlAm7IGsE">The Goop Lab with Gwyneth Paltrow</a> (video)</p><p>(45:05) <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/movies/taylor-swift-netflix-miss-americana-doc.html">Taylor Swift</a> (Miss Americana)</p><p>(48:00) <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxtfm-LIi7g">The Fourth Estate</a> (video)</p><p>(49:08) <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpahLzfLh4">John Mayer</a> on pants (video) </p><p>(50:40) <a href="https://www.vulture.com/2020/02/who-is-writing-brad-pitts-awards-season-speeches.html">Bra